Meeting with RCMP – March 17, 2011

17 Mar

Constable Jennifer McLean from 10:00 am – 12:45 pm.

She was very approachable and patient. She stated that she has looked through the file but does not have thorough knowledge on everything quite yet.

Here are our notes (questions are bolded):

 

7-11, Unknown Girls & Witnesses

When looking through media clippings, there are articles contradicting each other regarding the unknown girls that were last seen with Brianne at 7-11. In the beginning, there were only two composites with not enough details for a third. Later, one of the sketches of the two girls was used for a third girl. A lot of emphasis has been put on finding out who these girls are. Accuracy is of utmost importance. Please explain.

  • This was a bit confusing for us to explain verbally.
  • Cst. McLean wrote down the website address and will take a look at my post regarding the sketches of the 7-11 girls.
  • I will follow up with an email to Sgt. Art Kleinsmith.
  • Ask MCSC.

 

How confident were the witnesses about their memories and descriptions of these girls? I realize they had to be hypnotized in order to come up with the sketches we’ve all seen. Did the witnesses that were hypnotized know each other in any way? (were they together as a couple, friends, or totally separate people) Can you give any witnesses my contact information?

  • Cst. McLean will refer witnesses to the Find Brianne website.
  • She wasn’t sure about the accuracy of their descriptions or the method of hypnotism.
  • Will look in to relationship of 7-11 witnesses.
  • Ask MCSC.

 

There are also two separate media sources that report two seemingly different men seen at 7-11. One was a man seen filling his white truck with gas (quads in the truck bed). The other was a man in a red truck seen “leering” at the girls.

from the CBC –

Quote

Lee hypnotised a female friend of Brianne’s. Under hypnotism, she told Lee of a guy in a red truck that was hanging around Brianne and her girlfriends. He apparently was leering at the girls. This witness was able to help police come up with a composite drawing of the guy in the red truck.

What happened to the composite of this man? When and why did these men disappear from the story? Please explain. May I obtain a copy of this composite?

  • I explained to Cst. McLean that I had heard the man in the white truck was found and removed from the equation.
  • She did not remember seeing a male composite in Brianne’s file but will look in to it.
  • Ask MCSC.

 

Is there really no 7-11 tape in existence? A 7-11 employee that was working that night states that this was an unusual occurrence. A media clipping describes some of the events that were taking place between these girls and Brianne (one girl leaning on hood of Brianne’s car, another went into the store with Brianne but they didn’t purchase anything).

  • Cst. McLean stated that if there was a 7-11 tape, RCMP would use it to identify people.

 

The Car

  • Obtained one photo (will also post separately) and was able to view the rest. This photo does show some damage to the front driver’s side of the car.
Brianne's Car in RCMP Garage

Brianne's Car in RCMP Garage

  • We are allowed to describe the rest of the photos with text:
  • Outside car on the ground: package of “Colts” (cigarillos), can of Budweiser, empty air freshener package
  • Inside car: 1 yellow and 1 red air freshener hanging from rearview mirror, beach towel, 1 pouch of cigarettes on console between driver and passenger seat (looks to be either Players brand or Number 7 blue), 6-pack of Grower’s Blackberry Wine Coolers (visibly you can only see two coolers still in the box – one cooler is open – the other closed, the box is only open on one side)
  • The dash and outside of the car are dusty.
  • The foliage around the car is quite heavy. The passenger door is ajar as described in media. The passenger window is open. Keys are in the ignition and they appear to be in the “off” position.

 

The entire car was inspected. Does this include the under carriage? Was the ignition set to “on” or “off”? Were the head lights set to “on” or “off”? What gear was the car in? Was the parking brake “on” or “off”?

  • The most I could get was what we could see in the photos mentioned above.
  • Cst. McLean said car inspections are very thorough.

 

Does RCMP think the car was simply pushed down the gully? How long do they figure the car was sitting there and why? Does the scene seem staged?

  • Cst. Mclean did not wish to give her opinion on how the car was placed in the gully.
  • She did give the opinion that the car was probably there the whole time (since Saturday night). I’m sure she would like me to stress this as her opinion. The photos do show the car to be fairly dusty, contrary to our previous belief.

 

There are rumors the car was wiped clean? Is this true or false?

  • Cst. McLean did not say but did state that it is difficult to lift finger prints from a very dusty vehicle, particularly 5 days later. It is also difficult to lift finger prints from the inside of a vehicle due to textured surfaces, etc. Dust causes problems when trying to lift prints.

 

Were any strange finger prints found whatsoever? Apparently, there were smudged prints on the coolers and there was one set of unidentified prints. If so, where were the unknown finger prints found on the vehicle?

  • Cst. McLean did not say.

 

A size 11 men’s boot print was found in the dirt close to Brianne’s car. Do police believe this foot print is suspicious? Apparently no cast of the boot print was taken. Is there a photo? May I obtain a copy?

  • Cst. McLean did not say but did state that it could have been difficult because the area was dry and dusty, or it may have only been a partial print. There could have been dirt moving around the print, making it difficult to tell the make and model of the boot. This may be why a cast was not taken.

 

I found more contradictions in regard to the tracking dogs. The dogs picked up Brianne’s scent just outside her vehicle and at the end of Front Street. One media clipping describes the dogs losing her scent 3 metres from the car. Was it just outside the car, or 3 metres from the car? How did the dogs pick her scent up at the end of Front Street? (what brought them there) Please explain.

  • Cst. McLean did not seem to know much about this. MCSC may have more information regarding details on how and why the tracking dogs were used. The RCMP did use their own dogs and MCSC also had some brought in.

 

Which areas did the tracking dogs cover when looking for Brianne over the years?

  • Cst. McLean will look in to finding this information (which areas were searched by RCMP dogs). MCSC will also have information on this.

 

Was DNA preserved from the coolers? Were any tests done?

  • Cst. McLean did not say.

 

Please describe the coolers in Brianne’s car. There are many different rumors about the details of the coolers. Please explain and clarify.

  • Cst. McLean did not say but I think she will look in to confirming details on the wine coolers.

 

There were cigarette butt(s) found in the car. Please explain in better detail.

  • Cst. McLean did not say but I think she will look in to confirming details on the cigarette butt(s).

 

Search Areas

Please detail all areas that have been searched. Mapping would be great. I will ask MCSC and any other third parties for the same information and make a universal map. A new search should be organized when the snow melts.

We talked about how the Akolkolex area was well searched. Cst. McLean mentions that the dam may have been searched, possibly by MCSC divers. She doesn’t know which areas were searched all together but she will find out which areas were searched according to RCMP. Volunteer grid searches were also done.

 

Miscellaneous Evidence/Witnesses

Were phone records of Brianne’s number ever retrieved and investigated?

  • Cst. McLean did not say.

 

Do the police save media footage that has been released over the years? Is there any footage of vigils, news casts, etc.? If so, may I have copies of this footage?

  • Cst. McLean stated that news releases by RCMP are saved and she would look in to whether or not she could get me copies (if there are any).

 

Where was all video surveillance retrieved from? Please list locations in Revelstoke where surveillance was inspected for traces of Brianne. I realize not everywhere in Revelstoke had this type of security back then but would still like to know everywhere that was checked.

  • Cst. McLean was not sure of all locations. She said she would find out.

 

There was video surveillance of Brianne in the Cheers Beer & Wine Store that night. Can that footage be released to better show how she looked that night? I remember Brianne having a characteristic walk. I think this would really give people a great picture of her appearance.

  • Cst. McLean will find out if it would be possible for us to obtain a copy of this video.

 

Brianne’s jewelry: Why was the jewelry Brianne was wearing that night never described to the public? Can we have this information? I received as much detail as Sheryl Wolgram could remember and posted on the website. Was a necklace found? Were pawn shops checked (Sicamous, Salmon Arm, etc.)?

  • Cst. McLean will look in to this.

 

Did anyone report seeing Brianne the evening of Friday, September 4, 1998? There’s a period of time where we aren’t sure if she went directly home. A few people reported thinking they saw her in the bar (Rock Pit) on Friday night.

  • Cst. McLean will look in to this.

 

The girl seen by the hunter at Akolkolex on the morning of Sunday, September 6, 1998: She was apparently in the area after having a fight with her boyfriend. This seems odd. Is there a better explanation for her presence out there?

  • Cst. McLean agreed that this does seem odd and would look in to this story further.

 

Other

Are there any timelines of Brianne’s movements made by RCMP on file? May I have a copy? I have had a few requests for a timeline.

  • Cst. McLean did not seem to think there was an existing timeline on file.

 

We found some city council minutes on the Internet, dated February 9, 2010:

Moved by Councillor Welock, seconded by Councillor Halberstadt that S/Sgt. J. Olsen provide an update to Council In Camera on the Brianne Wolgram missing person case within approximately 45 days.

CARRIED

What was the result of the update? Why was an update given to city council and not the public? We were told this information was not open to the public (by the city). What was the nature of this update? Please explain.

  • Cst. McLean will look in to this.

 

This is an ongoing investigation. I’ve heard this a few times now. I understand this to mean the case has not gone “cold” but it doesn’t seem like much has been going on over the last several years. Please explain.

  • Cst. McLean stated that the case is technically cold. The case is considered “ongoing” because, over the last 12+ years, different investigators have gone over the file and will continue to do so. She does plan on better familiarizing herself with the file and will re-interview, etc., in the future. She thinks this will take a long period of time.
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15 Responses to “Meeting with RCMP – March 17, 2011”

  1. FoolsGold March 18, 2011 at 5:03 pm #

    Not too informative are they?

    Although we tend to automatically think of a male attacker, female attackers do indeed exist. Each of the males observed in the area were solitary males, so who would have driven them back from the remote area in which the car was found?

    This suggests female attackers. Wine coolers are not exactly a masculine drink. Any dna from the bottle lip?

    • findbrianne March 18, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

      They wouldn’t answer about DNA but I think they must have some.

      Brianne grabbed the wine coolers for the friend she was supposed to pick up from work.

      Please explain this in more detail:

      Each of the males observed in the area were solitary males, so who would have driven them back from the remote area in which the car was found?”

      Which males are you speaking of? In which area?

  2. FoolsGold March 19, 2011 at 10:46 am #

    At 7-11, Leering Male in Red Truck and Man Filling Tank of White Truck With Quads.
    If these were solitary males, they could have abducted a girl but they could not have driven her car.

    • findbrianne March 19, 2011 at 11:18 am #

      True, but who knows what the situation could have been.

      The men were not necessarily suspects anyways – just people the police wanted to question – probably witnesses. Who knows if the man in the red truck was even leering at her. Maybe it was just perceived that way.

      • marie marback September 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm #

        And maybe this man in the red truck was just a fabrication from the person that wanted any heat taken off themselves!?

  3. FoolsGold March 29, 2011 at 12:23 am #

    Do you have any reason to believe jewelry was taken from her and pawned? It seems strange to think jewelry would be stolen but 200.00 in cash left behind.

    This seen-talking-to-some-girls suggests a possible “stay-away-from-boyfriend” type thing. Who was she seeing at the time?

    Did that Frontier Market sell alcohol? Had she perhaps refused to provide alcohol to underage buyers?

    • findbrianne March 29, 2011 at 7:35 am #

      I don’t know if her jewelry was stolen but think it should have been included in the details of what she was wearing. Someone may have found a piece of jewelry and not known it was hers, etc.

      Brianne did not have a boyfriend at the time. I don’t see how her being seen talking to some girls suggests a “stay-away-from-boyfriend” type thing. Girls talk to other girls for all sorts of reasons. 😉

      We don’t sell alcohol in convenience stores in Canada – only liquor stores sell alcohol. So, no, she did not refuse to sell alcohol to underage buyers.

  4. FoolsGold March 31, 2011 at 5:21 pm #

    I meant that girls who have not come forward despite all the publicity may have had a reason such as some such silly boyfriend thing. Normally of course I would look toward male perpetrators even though the only two men noticed in the area seem to have been unlikely candidates.

    Given the fact that the car was found in a remote area, it is likely a second vehicle was involved.

  5. natasha February 7, 2012 at 12:27 pm #

    Brianne was a really good person, friendly and out going. My question is did the RCMP go back to where here car was found at all to see if there was anything else there that may have been over looked?? search the area again. question people again as sometimes people will have new answers. keep looking do not give up. I know Brianne and her family and it hurts everyone to know that there are no answers in her case. Keep checking, keep searching.

    thank you

  6. Anonymous August 24, 2012 at 3:28 pm #

    Has the RCMP supplied you with any additional information since meeting with them in March of 2011? It has been over a year, and many questions seem to be awaiting information from Cst. McLead
    Are there any plans to meet with the RCMP again to get more information?

  7. Anonymous May 22, 2013 at 5:19 pm #

    I don’t think that the RCMP will part with any information that they have on file, other than the few tidbits given so far.
    Yet, they cannot solve it themselves.
    I have a feeling that this was a local person.

  8. Rhonda Ann Godwin October 26, 2016 at 4:31 pm #

    One question: Who owned the 711 where she was last seen? Can any one tell me who the owner was? Also, exactly why/how did the 711 video tape disapear? I’ve read that it was noted that an employee at the 711 said it was highly unusual for that to happen and that’s a huge problem all of its own that doesn’t seem to have been pursued but depending on who the owner is, it sure gives me a clue. In every case in the States where the police dash cam, and now here in Canada too, just happened to be turned off it has been proven to have been turned off because there were details on it that the perpetrator (cop) didn’t want known. Not that the device malfunctioned! There’s an anonymous writer, on this site, under the Gossip column I think, and his details on what happened at the MacDonalds a few nights before Brianne disapeared should be honestly checked out as well but that involves serious police work. The RCMP need to at least pretend they give a damn. I may know what happened to her, I may not, but the fact that whoever did this wasn’t worried about a trifling $200., makes me think I really might know but without honest police concern and help/acquity no-one will likely ever know. Too many questions. Brianne’s friends, her parents, her co-workers, need to be questioned properly. I went through something nearly as terrible as what I believe happened here and it’s given me an edge, I’m afraid. She’s likely never coming back but her death should not have been in vain and if the truth comes out others will be saved.

    • Valorie Schmidt October 28, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

      I also wonder who the man was that talked to her on the forestry road, and her saying she had a fight with her boyfriend. Why was she on that road so far from town, by herself…I don’t believe she would go to a plac like that by herself. Something very suspicious about that story! I believe the whole investigation was done badly from the start and people involved are keeping quiet because they’re afraid of being implicated.

      • findbrianne October 28, 2016 at 11:14 pm #

        From what I remember, Sgt. Kleinsmith told me this was not Brianne and that this girl was camping at Echo Lake with her boyfriend.

    • findbrianne October 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm #

      Rhonda, I can’t remember exactly but I think his first name was Neil (the owner of 7-11). I could ask around and find out his last name. The tape didn’t “disappear” per se. I believe there was either only one tape that was taped over or there was no tape recording at the time Brianne was seen at 7-11…I’ve spoken with the anonymous writer of the McDonald’s experience. All I can say is many of Brianne’s co-workers/friends/family have been questioned excessively over the years.

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